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Saving Mr. Disney: A Lesbian Perspective

12/30/2013

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Bear with me... I'm going to take a few paragraphs to work up to my central theme...

As a marginalized writer of lesbian-feminist plays, I used to wonder what it would be like if one of my plays achieved first-class production (which is the industry lingo for “Broadway-level”).  My question was answered when a Brazilian film and television star ran across a collection of my plays in a bookstore near Union Square, read my play about Joan of Arc, and decided to produce and star in it. In Brazil, of course. First-class production!

A word about the play: It was a one-woman show dealing with Joan of Arc as a teenaged, lesbian, butch runaway who was returning from the grave with a searing radical feminist critique of her experiences and those responsible for them. She is returning with a mission to warn contemporary women that they are facing the same enemies and that they need to understand this and to fight.

In other words, an unlikely candidate for first-class production.

PictureJoan of Arc with "Scenic Element"
But, you know what? The show was the top-selling commercial production of the season in both São Paulo and Rio. And then it went on to tour all the other major cities in Brazil. It was a smash hit.

Is Brazil a nation of lesbian feminists? What could possibly explain this?

Well… For starts, this one-woman show featured four really beefy, macho men. They rode motorcycles onto the stage, making a lot of noise, but no “lines” per se. This enabled the producer to designate them “scenic elements,” not added characters… which would have been a violation of my contract.

These four Hell’s Angels would circle Joan, maul her, cradle her, drive her on the back of their motorcycles…  In other words, come constantly between her and the audience. And the butch thing was gone, completely. Joan wore enough eye makeup to put Theda Bara to shame, and she was dressed in tights.

And then there was the rape.

Joan was raped in her prison cell in a situation that was clearly engineered to make her prefer death to life. And it worked. She recanted her recantation and was burned at the stake.

Now, lots of playwrights have written about Joan.. Bernard Shaw, Jean Anouihl, Eva Le Gallienne... and they end at the stake. I didn’t want to do that. In my play she is returning from the dead. The stake is in the past. We are looking to the future. I wanted to respect and protect the survivors in my audience who did not need to have their trauma memories restimulated. I did not want to write a play where, once again, the boys win.

In the Brazilian production, there was no such sensitivity. The four “scenic elements” stripped down to full frontal nudity and performed the assault on the stage. They raped my character. They raped my play. The play I had crafted to empower and inspire survivors became one more traumatic encounter reinforcing the helplessness of women, always outnumbered by the machine of patriarchy.

And they screwed me financially. Of course. It took more than three years to recover my royalty, and the amount was not commensurate with the success of the work.

PicturePL Travers
Why am I telling you this in an article about Saving Mr. Banks?

Because I am a lesbian writer whose beloved lesbian protagonist was hideously mangled by the machinery of patriarchal theatre, and I was angry about that. Really, really angry. Still am, because the pain of that experience never goes away. And I believe that PL Travers was a lesbian writer whose beloved lesbian protagonist was hideously mangled by the machinery of patriarchal Hollywood, and that she was angry about that. Really, really angry. And now the world is invited to come and mock this thoroughly unpleasant woman.

I come to celebrate her.

Was PL Travers a lesbian?  Duh.

Some insist that she was bisexual, but the evidence for that is very sketchy. Aggressively pursuing publication, Travers went to Dublin to meet the editor Æ (aka George Russell), who had sent her an encouraging letter about her poems. He was married and twice her age, with a penchant for encouraging young writers. Travers’ biographer characterizes their friendship as “filial, intellectual, and marked by romantic gestures.” In other words, he flirted. But more to the point, he insisted that she get together with Madge Burnand. She did indeed get together with Madge, moved in with her, wrote the first Mary Poppins book in a cottage with her, and continued to live with her for ten years in a relationship that her biographer characterizes as “intense.” Duh.

PictureJessie Orage: One of PL Travers' Lovers
Æ would also introduce Travers to the teachings of Gurdjieff, a charismatic and influential spiritual teacher. Travers’ involvement with the community of Gurdjieff’s followers in the 1930’s should be of special interest to lesbian scholars. In spite of Gurdjieff’s professed advocacy of rigid gender roles, he created a women-only group in the 1920’s known as “The Rope.” The members of this group were all strong, successful women—mostly lesbian—who did not subscribe to traditional gender roles. One of these women, Jessie Orage, became lovers with Travers. Orage had scandalized the Gurdjieff community a decade earlier by wearing men’s trousers and smoking cigarettes. She documents the affair with Travers in the pages of her diary.

PictureJane Heap, Member of "The Rope"
So what about this Mary Poppins? Was she a lesbian? Well, I will argue—as did Travers—that heterosexual romance was not for her. Travers had first introduced the character in 1926, when she wrote a series of stories about children and their dreams. This collection became the basis for the first Mary Poppins book. On November 13, 1926, the Christchurch Sun published “Mary Poppins and the Match Man,” a short story about Mary Poppins’ day off with her boyfriend Bert.

Eight years later, Travers published the first Mary Poppins book, and the most significant change between the 1926 version of the famous nanny and the 1934 one, had to do with Mary Poppins’ relationships with men. Bert is no longer a boyfriend, but a buddy… or, more accurately, a groupie. Mary Poppins has become what one writer calls “untouchable and distant,” but I would use the word “exalted.” She is morphing into archetypal forms. Æ suggested the goddess of destruction and empowerment, Kali—and Travers did not disagree. By 1934, the proper nanny of her earlier stories had begun to supercede the ineffectual mother Mrs. Banks. No one except Mr. Banks, according to Travers, could understand her.

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I believe what we are dealing with here is a lesbian butch. A guardian/ warrior archetype who combines military discipline with a Gurdjieffian mysticism that enables her to ascend to the stars and commune with the animals. A lesbian butch who cannot identify with a haplessly subordinate mother-figure and who identifies more solidly with the bread-winning father who must brave the rigors of a collapsing financial world.

Disney, by the way, turned Mrs. Banks into a "Suffragette," because in his mind, this was synonymous with bad mothering. PL Travers, no doubt aware of the heavy lesbian butch presence among the ranks of women militating for equal rights, was baffled and unhappy with his choice. Truly, her flighty and uber-feminine Mrs. Banks would have been terrified by the Suffragists.

But back to Mary Poppins. I know this archetype. I have been working with lesbian archetypes in my writing for thirty years. I find them in the writings of other lesbians, in their biographies, in our spiritual traditions and rituals, and in the lives of the women I love. And they are completely invisible—censored—in mainstream culture. Where they do surface, they are wildly misinterpreted, ridiculed, or demonized. As is the character of PL Travers in Saving Mr. Banks. Which is more like "Saving Mr. Disney."

PictureMemo from Walt Disney's FBI Files
Disney comes off like “Father Knows Best” in the film, but, in fact, he was a heavy-handed union-buster who, according to documents that surfaced under the Freedom of Information Act, served from 1940 until his death in 1966 as a secret informer (read “spy”) for the FBI.

And he was a misogynist, a fact reflected in his hiring practices...  as well as his need to ridicule the movement for women's suffrage.The letter below spells out the Disney Studio's  policy:  "Women do not do any of the creative work..."


He had pursued Travers for the rights to the Mary Poppins books for fifteen years, and he finally seduced her with a very unusual contract which contained two conditions upon which Travers refused to compromise: It could not be an animated film, and she was allowed rights of approval over the story treatment. These rights of approval were unprecedented at the Disney Studios… but note that it was approval over treatment only  and not final shooting script.

PL Travers did not like the original script and traveled to Hollywood to consult. Walt met with her once and then took off for his ranch, leaving the creative team, with two days’ advance notice, to deal with her perfectly legitimate objections to the appropriation of her lifework.
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By the time Travers arrived at the Studios, Mary Poppins, the inscrutable and intimidating disciplinarian, had been turned into the gracious, cheerful, idealized playmate for the children. And Bert had reverted to a love interest... something to which Travers took strenuous exception. The heroine of a 1930's Depression-Era bank crisis, wearing masculine suits with huge shoulder pads had morphed into a femmy 1910 Gibson Girl with a frilly parasol. Gone the butch. Gone the butch buddy. Gone the power. Gone the shadow side of mysticism.
PictureOversized double-breasted men's jacket w/epaulets and shoulder pads and military-style armbands on sleeves, with sensible shoes.




And then there was the animation. When Travers signed her agreement, she never dreamed that Disney would be sneaking animation into a film with live actors. Technically, it was not an animated film. He was sticking to the letter of the agreement, but not the spirit. The animated dance sequence took up a remarkable fifteen minutes of screen time. Was he just rubbing it in?

Not surprisingly Travers raised hell.


No, Disney did not invite her to the opening. This was a professional insult. Resourceful dyke that she was, she shamed another Disney executive into sending her an invitation. Yes, she wept at the premiere, but they were tears of frustration and disappointment. The animation! At the after-party she confronted Disney. According to Richard Sherman, who co-wrote the music, she declared in a loud voice, “Well. The first thing that has to go is the animation sequence.” Disney looked at her coolly and replied, “Pamela, the ship has sailed.” (She had asked him to call her Mrs. Travers.)

PicturePink ruffled parasol, see-through sleeves, lace gloves.
Most of the world would now equate Mary Poppins with Julie Andrews’ characterization. Travers' radical revisioning of parenting outside the box of traditional gender roles had been domesticated. And even the Suffragists had been trashed. Mr. Banks was saved. Mrs. Banks was saved. Bert and Mary were saved. And the lesbians were safely back in the closet, banished to a shadow world apart from the nuclear family and disallowed contact with the children.

I feel for Travers. I feel for her pain in fighting so hard for the real Mary Poppins, but lacking a language and a literature of archetypes to which she could point and say, “No, this is not that! Here is the frame of reference!” But that literature was as censored as her identity. She insisted on being called Mrs. Travers, but there was no husband. There never had been. "Travers" was her father’s first name. How could “Mrs. Travers” possibly, in 1960,  advocate for all of the attributes, affinities, mythological referents that belong to our culture?

PicturePL Travers, Warrior Woman
Short answer: She couldn’t. But she did not pretend to be happy. She did not go gently into the heterotopia of Disneyland. She raised as much hell as she could, but she was outflanked, outmaneuvered, and outnumbered by the strike-breaking, Red-baiting, rabid McCarthy-ite spy who was dictating the so-called family values that would enshrine the patriarch and ensure the compliance of women.

Italian feminst Carla Lonzi has said, "
Men use myth; women don’t have sufficient personal resources to create it. Women who have tried to do so by themselves have endured such stress that their lives have been shortened by it." But Travers beat the odds, living to be nearly a hundred. I submit that her fighting spirit, the very spirit so vilified in the movie, had a great deal to do with her longevity. Well-behaved women rarely make centenarians.

Saving Mr. Banks is a witch-burning. Make no mistake about that. Give me a film company and I will show you a film about a powerful, visionary, immanently reasonable lesbian fighting off an evil army of propagandists who are hell-bent on breaking the spirit of one of the greatest lesbian archetypes ever set on paper… a liberator of children, a goddess to the natural world, a harbinger of a new order in the wake of the collapse of capitalism. I invite you to imagine and inhabit that scenario, because, sisters, I promise you that it is the real story.


Like this blog? You'll probably enjoy my blog  "Stealing the Herd" and the Butch Visibility Project.

47 Comments
Barbara Ruth
12/30/2013 03:44:11 pm

This is the review I have been waiting for! Caroline, I grieve over what happened to your play in Brazil and I thank you for your work, including this. In Dyke solidarity, Barbara Ruth

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Zsuzsanna Budapest link
12/30/2013 04:31:56 pm

What a ripp off! Brazil for shame!
I would love to see the butch heras, we have in california some characters, who drove the postal carriges through the canyons of the hills. Nobody knew she was a she untill she died.
Thanks your for your work Carolyne!

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Carolyn Gage link
12/30/2013 05:37:28 pm

Hi, Z... When I think about that chapter where Mary Poppins visits the zoo and the animals talk with her... I think of Artemis, Our Lady of the Beasts. PL Travers studied myth a lot, and I believe that she weaves all kinds of goddess archetypes into Mary Poppins' character.

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Orirthyia link
12/30/2013 05:50:10 pm

I cannot imagine how Fury-us you must be about the Contorting of your work.

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ann jochems
12/31/2013 02:52:46 am

Thank you so much for the back story. I love your research and perspective. And your lesbian mind...

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Faith E. Giavaras, Ph.D.
12/31/2013 04:25:40 am

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Carolyn Gage link
12/31/2013 08:06:45 am

Hi, Faith... Did you mean to post something here? It's blank...

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Faith E. Giavaras, Ph.D.
12/31/2013 08:16:26 am

Yes! I was using my iPhone and pressed the wrong button. Hence, no comment! Thanks for replying.

I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your article concerning the saving of Mr. Banks. I learned quite a bit about PL Travers, Mary Poppins and Walt Disney. I signed up on your blog. I hope to receive more informative reads such as this.

Thank You!

Brother Corey
12/31/2013 04:53:05 am

Despite your understandable angry tone, I enjoyed your treatment of this topic very much. I appreciate your perspective and fair treatment of Gurdjieffians, who are also often quite misunderstood.

Very well done -- and thank you.

Br. Corey

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Annette S.
12/31/2013 05:06:11 am

Hear! Hear! As a student of all things Joan of Arc, I would LOVE to see your play produced as written. It sounds magnificent. I resonate strongly with your version of Mrs. Travers experience and it rings much more true than the movie. Thank you for taking the time to write this thoughtful piece.

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Susan Huddis Koppelman
12/31/2013 06:47:19 pm

Your anger is like a balm to mine. I loved reading this essay. Thanks. The Brazil experience is certainly outrageous and at the same time it is like the history of the world told quickly. A bad story.

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lynne miller link
12/31/2013 09:41:37 pm

thank you for this! i was raised on mary poppins and felt a kinship with her that i never could with my father knows best parents. julie andrews is lovely, but she is not mary poppins!
in sisterhood
lynne miller

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Elle
1/2/2014 06:09:10 am

Ms. Gage, I agree that the movie portrays sexism and patriarchal corporate America as much as anything else. But I also left wondering if the creation of the character Mary Poppins was about the relationship between Helen Goff (a.k.a. PL Travers) and her father. I wonder if you might kindly share your thoughts on this? And yes perhaps with an eye to how this might shape a woman who loves only women?

Else please keep writing plays, stories and novels about women who adventure.

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Carolyn Gage link
1/2/2014 07:59:27 am

Mary Poppins has more affinity for males in the books, it seems. Best friend is Bert... and has more in common with Mr. Banks than his wife. From what I know of alcoholic families (her dad was a roaring alcoholic), it's not uncommon for children to choose one parent to defend and idealize... Seems this may have been the case with Travers (she took his first name).. Also, sadly, to trash the other parent, who may well have been the one trying so desperately to hold things together.

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Tina Gianoulis
1/2/2014 08:19:03 am

Brilliantly articulated as usual Caroline--it seems that this distortion and co-optation is so often the price of mainstream popularity--they are rarely going to let anything sneak by that truly questions the established power structure. i was really impressed by the second 'hunger games' film, which did seem to retain the power of the book's challenge.

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Lynne Pearlman
1/2/2014 01:48:41 pm

Carolyn,

I loved this piece! I am saddened (and of course angered) to hear what happened in Brazil to the brilliantly lesbian centered The Second Coming of Joan of Arc, and I am glad you are writing about the experience. How painful to have such pro womon pro lesbian creativity turned into pornographic entertainment. From my end, it kind of feels like hearing about men pissing on sacred text.

I am thrilled you wrote about Mary Poppins, and the recent Saving Mr. Banks film. I was disheartened to see a recent episode of Ellen in which Emma Thompson was interviewed about this film, and Ellen and Emma commiserated about how difficult and unlikeable PJ Travers was. I saw the film last week, and found myself repeatedly feeling as though Travers was being so unfairly maligned and that her "unlikeability" was actually her lesbian strength and willingness to take up space (i.e. things I admire). There were several examples of the twisting that kept percolating and disturbing me...she absolutely didn't want Dick Van Dyke, and Dick Van Dyke remained, she was adamant about no animation, and as you mentioned, there was so much animation!, she didn't want Mr. Banks to have a mustache, and of course, he had a mustache! She didn't want Mary Poppins to be traditionally feminine and domesticated, and that is much of how Julie Andrews portrayed her. And yet, it is she, and not Disney who is portrayed as inflexible, difficult and wily. Thanks so much for (as you so splendidly do) telling this story with the dyke sensibility at the center, instead of at the margins.

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Shelly Valladolid link
1/2/2014 03:53:13 pm

While I can understand your anger and resentment over your treatment, I don't agree with your choice to carry this over to a situation you were not a part of. Have you spoken to any of the people actually involved, at length, about this, or are you just projecting?
Many of them are still alive and more than willing to share their stories.

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Carolyn Gage link
1/2/2014 04:03:33 pm

Well, one writer's "piecing together" is another writer's "projection." Disney has the clout to get their version out there for the world to see, about both Mary Poppins and about PL Travers. I contend that they are the ones doing the projecting. They would claim that I am. But the fact is this: Disney overrode Travers on nearly every point. Who's difficult to work with? Travers was adamant about not wanting a love story between Bert and Mary... Why not?

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Shelly Valladolid link
1/6/2014 04:16:54 am

Because it had been done, in an earlier short story. No, really. In an earlier story, Mary Poppins went on a date with her boyfriend, Bert, who sold matchsticks.
As for Travers, I'll let her words speak for themselves:
1st September [1964]

Dear Walt,

This is to say THANK YOU.

You will have known that my reason for coming to Hollywood was not only to see, and enjoy, the first showing of the picture but to make it clear that you and I were in accord, author and film-maker in harmony.

The whole picture is a splendid spectacle and I admire you for perceiving in Julie Andrews and actress who could play the part. Her performance as Mary Poppins is beautifully understated, which is what I would have asked for, anyway, and she is excellent in both roles. For I think the picture falls into two halves---the home scenes which keep some contact with the book and the musical comedy scenes which are Disney and Disney at his best! The character which to some extent holds both parts together is Mr Banks and I do think that David Tomlinson is absolutely right. I hope some time to have an opportunity of congratulating him. I liked the children, too, perhaps especially the little boy.

I know well that in translating a book to another medium something has to be lost---or perhaps undergo a change. The real Mary Poppins, inevitable, as it seems to me, must remain within the covers of the books. And naturally, as an author, it is my hope that your gay, generous, and wonderfully witty film will turn a new public towards them.

It was a wonderful premiere---far grander than anything we shall be able to do in England. Even so, it will probably be good and it is my hope the writers and the director as well as the actors will be there---perhaps even you!--

Please thank everybody from me and give them my congratulations, not least the musicians.

Yours, with a bouquet of flowers,

[signed] Pamela

Carolyn Gage link
1/6/2014 04:44:23 am

Hi, Shelly,

I think the fact that Travers had originally conceived of Bert as a boyfriend makes it even more intriguing as to why she so repeatedly and strenuously objected to Disney's returning him to that role. Mary Poppins evolved tremendously from her original conception in that short story to the later books, where she began to assume archetypal goddess powers in her relationship between animals and the cosmos. She "un-boyfriended" Bert very consciously in the books, and clearly felt it was a significant violation of intention and character when Disney put it back. Her objections to animation are well-documented (see two paragraphs I inadvertently deleted in the original blog above about her agreement with Disney). This letter is consistent with a response that Alice Walker documented in her book The Same River Twice, where she talks about being on location with The Color Purple, repeatedly traumatized by Speilberg's (white male) appropriation of an African American woman's story... AND... how she came to terms with it, through a long, harrowing process... to a point where she could actually embrace the film as something completely different. In this letter, Travers makes the same point. That the real Mary Poppins is only accessible via the book. The staggering success of both films left these authors in a difficult position, and they both made their peace. Signiificantly, Travers refused any more film offers, and when she finally licensed a stage version it was with an explicit warning that Disney was to have nothing to do with it. I don't read capitulation or acknowledgement of bad behavior in this letter. Her conflicts with Disney were epic enough to inspire the making of a film.

tina gianoulis
1/2/2014 05:51:46 pm

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Carolyn Gage link
1/3/2014 02:34:13 am

Hi, Tina... Did you mean to leave a comment here?

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Elle
1/2/2014 10:31:20 pm

Hi Shelly, I feel like the line, "They say I am projecting when I distinguish myself [my lifestyle] from a doormat" applies here. I walked out of the movie intrigued but also knowing one thing for certain: At a minimum production whitewashed Walt Disney the man. The movie version of Walt gave us a kindly, paternal gentleman working with a "difficult woman." Any sign of Walt Disney's vicious anti-communist, career- and life-destroying tendencies was absent. Only outside reading would reveal to the movie-goer that the real Disney was a man who had much power to do the right thing, but instead, lacking character and ethical-moral backbone, he chose to be craven. Carolyn Gage likewise offers the outside reading that is a must to gaining an understanding of the real P. L. Travers -- a woman who had little power but did possess the fortitude to stand up for what she believed. I think this is important.

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Cat link
1/3/2014 02:41:39 am

Wonderful post. Well written and thought out. I am extremely disappointed about the production of your play in Brazil - I can not comprehend how furious you must have been. I love your words here about Mary Poppins being 'exalted' as a creature beyond human boundaries - magical, mythical. Oddly enough, though I've never actually thought it through before, I now realize that I never considered Bert as Mary's boyfriend. She was above him, someone to be idolized, admired, but never obtained. I'm not even sure I'd call him a "buddy" - rather more like an acolyte almost. There were certainly things in the story that flew over my young head back in the day, but Mary and Bert's relationship wasn't one of them. It's nice to know that some of these things could still be seen peering out from under the Disney whitewash. Thanks again for the article!

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Nick
1/3/2014 10:15:49 am

I want to first start by saying that I agree with almost everything you've said regarding the treatment of Mary Poppins by the Disney Corporation and I appreciate the passion you have regarding this subject.

However, I like to look at the situation from the "author is dead" standpoint. "The author is dead" is the idea that once a book is published the author's intentions are no more valuable than the reader's interpretations. Not everyone agrees to this notion, but I rather enjoy it because it allows me to freely interpret the work as I choose. If we follow the "author is dead" idea with the books of Mary Poppins then we see that Disney simply placed his own interpretation onto the screen bypassing Traver's wishes. This is not unusual for films to do simply because most books do not adapt directly to film. I'm not arguing whether what he did was right or wrong, but what I am arguing is that the Traver's version of Mary Poppins was unspoiled by the films. They are two completely separate works that should not be directly compared because the movie was simply an interpretation (however loosely based) on Traver's story. Her stories are beautiful and have delighted children and adults for many years. The Disney film cannot take that away.

I don't agree that "the playwright is dead". The playwright is an essential part of the production process, especially for a debut. I do find it unfortunate that your work was stripped away from you and I hope that you are able to find a director and producer that want to stage your show the way you wrote it.

Regarding the future of Mary Poppins, who know what awaits us? Maybe years from now a film studio will produce a more honest interpretation of the novels. We can only hope.

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Margaret South
1/5/2014 05:20:27 am

Superb article, superb.

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Carolyn Gage link
1/5/2014 05:32:43 am

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Lance
1/5/2014 11:25:29 am

Perhaps Ms. Shannon Disney will issue a re-make....

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Elle
1/7/2014 05:55:54 am

From a commenter at a New Yorker magazine blog --
[Despite certain failings in the movie, perhaps one has] "to remain content in thinking over how... early difficulties with mothers can lead [one] to favor narratives where something pushy, obtuse, overwhelming, and baldly patriarchal, can disorient and dislodge a lone member of the feminine of higher sensitivities." I am pondering this. Have such childhood experiences been a wellspring for a faction of the feminist movement? Maybe it takes the coalescing of a number of less than healthy childhoods--something a little abnormal and mutation-like--to push against and break down that which was previously forbidden to girls and women.

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Lynne
1/10/2014 08:07:30 am

Carolyn, in your comment on Jan.6.14, you mention two paragraphs inadvertently deleted from the original blog. Are they in there now, and if not, could you post them?
Thanks,
Lynne

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carolyn gage link
1/10/2014 08:14:07 am

Yes, have added the paragraphs...

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Rachel Baties
3/2/2014 12:54:14 am

Hello,
I just saw the film for the first time last night and I came away with a lot of questions. The whole movie centers on figuring out PL Travers and once Disney did, he won the rights to the film. As I walked out of the theater I just kept thinking there was so much more to the story than I had just seen and I thought, mrs. Travers was so obviously a lesbian, and she meant for Mary Poppins to be this wonderful lesbian heroine also. I am a Utah Mormon Mom and it was pretty obvious to me that is what she intended. So, after the movie ended I came home and googled to see if I was right and found your article. Well done. Too me, the reality of who Mrs. travers actually was makes her a more sympathetic character than what was portrayed in the movie and I felt sorry for a woman who was so misunderstood in life and now in death.

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Carol Butler link
4/6/2014 03:59:12 pm

I found your article enlightening and disheartening because I always wish the words of a writer were sacred because the writing of them was. I wish people who appropriate work (yours in Brazil) and Travers by Disney had to pay restitution and reproduce the entire play and movie with the writer directing. It's always good for truth to surface and your considered article and all the comments basically speak of the lack of that. Thank you for sharing your research and I applaud the post and comments.

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Jesse
4/19/2014 04:30:12 pm

I enjoyed your article. It represents a perspective of Traverse being a lesbian. You are a lesbian yourself, and see the story of PL Traverse and her character Marry Poppins through these lens.

However, I thought the movie Saving Mr. Banks was about the journey of Traverse coming to terms with the loss of her father. What I gained by watching the movie was- from my perspective- the understanding of how Pamela as a little girl, wanted so much for someone to save her father, and that hope came in the form of her Aunt Ellen. Aunt Ellen sorted everything out. The lack of discipline. The dirty house. She could not save Pamela's father, but for a while until his death, she brought order-and hope.

Isn't the movie about coming to the realization-by Walt Disney and the viewers- that this Aunt Ellen is the basis for the character Mary Poppins, and that she was not there to save the children, but the father? Pamela's father?

Personally I think the movie did PL Traverse, her books, and the movie Mary Poppins justice.

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Tom
6/29/2014 06:02:59 am

Thanks for this thoughtful piece. regards Tom

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OnlineCounsellingJamaica
9/6/2014 02:08:01 pm

So is it the implication here that it takes lesbians to be liberators of children, goddesses & harbingers? All it takes are strong focused women, quintisexual for all I care, but almost all live 'outside the box'...& have 'unconventional' relationships, lesbian, hetero or otherwise .... too much is made here of the lesbian warrior type..the latter is incidental...

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N.Michael
10/20/2014 08:18:59 am

^ "lesbian warrior types" are never " incidental"

What I really came on for was to compliment a brilliant piece of writing by Gage
and the photos are fabulous to see

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Nicole B.
10/27/2015 11:34:39 am

Hello, Carolyn--

I'm so glad to read your criticism of "Saving Mr. Disney"! I'd like to correct an error in your article--you show a picture from one of the Mary Poppins books to support your suggestion that Mary Poppins wore "masculine suits with huge shoulder pads." But that illustration is actually from a chapter in which Mary Poppins gives her own "new white jacket, with the pink collar and the pink belt and the four pink buttons down the front" to the Marble Boy, and the (male) Park Keeper gives her his own uniform coat to wear home so that she doesn't get chilly. Mary Poppins's new outfit in this chapter was actually quite "feminine," not "butch"! I'm also interested by your claim that Jessie Orage's diary records her "affair" with P. L. Travers; according to Travers's biographer Valerie Lawson, the pages describing the relationship were removed from Orage's diary--have you actually seen them, or are you assuming that they must have said something Orage (or someone else) wanted to hide?

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Carolyn link
10/27/2015 02:55:10 pm

Hi, Nicole B... Thank you for the correction... Interesting that it's still an artifact of a gender-bending exchange! I wrote this piece a while and I am no longer remembering where I got that affair thing from... I know I did not run across missing diary pages. Rereading it now, what I am remembering is reading a ton of Gurdjieff sources that were online... and following up on Orage. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

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Nicole B.
10/29/2015 11:28:17 am

I think if you read the chapter ("The Marble Boy" in Mary Poppins Opens the Door), you'd see that it's quite a stretch to call it a gender-bending exchange. The Marble Boy is a statue of a naked Greek character who comes to life, and MP gives him her jacket so that he won't be cold. The jacket turns to marble along with him when he returns to his stand. But it's also a stretch to say that MP must be a lesbian--"heterosexual romance was not for her," as you say, but neither was any other kind of romance! As for Travers herself, I've read many Gurdjieff sources too, and have never seen one that quotes from Jessie Orage's diary, or that says Orage was a member of the Rope. None of the lists of members I've seen includes Orage, who was the widow of A. R. Orage, one of Travers's editors. Travers was certainly unconventional, but I see no reason to add so much speculation to the many misrepresentations others have made about her.

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Brian Lemaire link
1/13/2016 11:43:58 am


I am coming late to this discussion, two years later than most of the entrants, and I have enjoyed reading all your ideas.

I enjoyed Saving Mr. Banks much more than the Mary Poppins movie, which has been Disneyfied. Artificially sweetened too much for me, now in my 50s. Saving Mr. Banks, on the other hand, is a celebration of creativity. The creativity of P.L. Travers, of Disney, and of the Sherman Brothers.

Regarding the animated scene with the penguins:
Putting it into animation lets the viewer feel that she has entered into the magical realm of entering Bert's picture. In a movie, no other way to do this with the same impact.

As to Travers' stipulation that Bert and Mary should have no romance between them: Disney followed this, sort of. Nowhere in the movie do they embrace or kiss each other. Although they sing each other's praises in the song It's a Jolly Holiday. I guess Disney was tiptoeing right up to the edge of a romance here.

Saving Mr. Banks: a delightful celebration of Creativity. The only other movie I know of that celebrates creativity so grandly was 'Beauty and the Beast'. There must be something more than this provincial life.

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G. Wright
4/2/2018 07:13:09 am

I think quite a bit of the original Mary Poppins survived in the film of the same name. The character is one of the most unusual females in any Disney production. It's quite clear that her relationship with Bert is not at all romantic. If you listen to one of the songs Julie Andrews sings - after Poppins jumps into an animated background - she even expresses relief that he's not making passes at her. Lol.

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Harmony
12/21/2018 06:56:43 pm

Thank you so much for this well-informed article, Carolyn. I recently saw "Saving Mr. Banks' with a friend, and without knowing PL Travers's personal life story, I agree with your analysis of her treatment as a character. She was characterized as the shrew to be beaten and guilt-tripped into submitting to daddy's superior wisdom.
The structure of the plot was very tricky and I felt it to be emotionally manipulative towards people like me, that is to say former children who were raised with Disney's version of Mary Poppins, who wholeheartedly loved and still love the movie and the characters as now part of our "old imaginary childhood friends", and it is soooo easy with such an already-won audience to play on their desire to see as an outcome the triumph of the version we love, which is simply the only version we know. Make a change to that now well-established mythology feels like a heresy for us... whereas Disneys Studios were the one desecrating the original story and characters created by Travers in the first place.
I learned 'Mary Poppins' wasn't an original creation of Disney Studios only a few years ago. That is to say, when I was already an adult and didn't take time anymore to look into children's literature and thought it wouldn't add much to my life to read it now. Yet, your portrayal of the true Mary Poppins makes me want to meet her and Travers's writing by myself. I don't know when I have the time to do so but... I have very serious reasons to do so now (working on something).

PS: I'm appalled by the awful appropriation and desecration of your Joan of Arc. I'm so sorry reading that. It made me think of a French male director's production of "Blasted" by Sarah Kane which left me in a state of shock not only because of the brutality of Kane's original play, but because of the perverse inversions of the director's "interpretation" of it.

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Lynne Murray link
1/2/2019 08:25:41 pm

Dear Ms. Gage,
First I'm so sorry for your Brazilian production debacle. Thank you so much for your PL Travers insights. Synchronicity strikes for me! Susan Huddis Koppelman shared your article on Facebook again and this time I found it at just the right moment to help me understand a character I'm writing in my next urban fantasy. My heroine's aunt who runs a kind of witness protection/underground railway for alien/human hybrids is described by the protagonist, who finds she has alien assassin DNA, feels betrayed by her aunt who shielded her growing up and who has moved on to a new rescue. Lashing out she calls her aunt "Mary Poppins for monsters." So that small seed begins to blossom as I want to focus on the aunt and her mission in the next book. Everything in your article helps! I found your article in some mystic way. How could I not have known that the character I created was a lesbian? It explains so much about her as I envision her. Maybe that's my incorrigibly hetero-ness blinding me, but my books all have fully layered gay characters, so do I try to see clearly. Thank you for the light you shed. May your work be treated with the respect it deserves in future.
Lynne Murray

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Melody Masi
1/17/2019 09:47:15 am

Thank you for using your voice to speak truth to power.

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Laurie Hall
3/24/2019 10:11:25 am

I didn’t understand the controversy of this film at first. You have opened my eyes. My brain is exploding.

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Muriel Hogan link
1/9/2023 11:27:37 pm

I was sickened by the Disney version of Mary Poppins! It was a betrayal of the books' special magic. The music was appallingly cutesy. I admire Julie Andrews' great talents, but I wanted the character to be salt and vinegar rather than sugar and spice. My choice would have been Vanessa Redgrave. It was the beginning of my great disdain for Walt Disney and all his transgressions.

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